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  • pr02
    07-20 10:13 AM
    Of course the vote had to fail. Senate is Dem controlled and they are anti-legal presently. But the fact that it got voted down by a few votes should give us some optimism.

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  • indio0617
    03-09 11:11 AM
    sub sections on employer penalties, compliance to I-9 etc...

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  • willwin
    09-12 10:49 AM
    Let us continue a debate on
    a) Pros of this idea
    b) Cons of this idea
    c) Alternative we might have.

    Also, please do not get emotionally attach to an idea let democratically select that is best for the community.
    Please limit to those ideas that are executable and within the bounds of law.

    In my opinion, we should do this:

    Just send two information to USCIS, DOS, President, VP, First Lady and all Congress person of the following:

    1. 1st info should have a photocopy of our degree certificate(s). On the same page, print your expereince in years and total tax paid till date to the US government.

    2. On a fresh page, type in all the H1B/L VISA approval information and type in bold, we were wanted/invited here legally (and admitted via H1/L).
    And, mention that our I140 is approved which means the immigration department has validated our eligibility to become PR.
    Ask a question (larger font) on the same page, why keep us on limbo?

    This would keep the whole thing short and sweet. We are explicitly saying that we are legals. And we were invited here - legally. We are approved by immigration team to be a PR.

    If we could send couple of thousands of letters, I am sure it would have impact as much as any other letter we have in mind.

    We are not humiliating them, we are just expressing our frustrations but in mass. May be we can say something like, "Legal Techie slaves in the land of liberty" or "Immigration process that enslave Legal Techies". But, we should keep it short.

    As always, ignore this idea if you guys dont like it.

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  • go_guy123
    02-24 10:03 AM
    Immigrating legally to the U.S seemed like a gold opportunity when I was offered to work here six years ago with an H1B visa. As a matter of fact, all my friends and family considered that it would have been crazy not to take advantage of the "opportunity" to live and work in the most developed country on Earth.

    It's been six long years of challenges and learning experiences, but mostly it's been six years of financial distress, anxiety, paralysis and uncertainty.

    We applied for PR four years ago, but in the process my wife and I have eaten all our saving in lawyer fees - and at this point we're just one more number in the long list of EB3 applicants who don't have the remotest idea of when visa numbers will become available so we can have a normal life. I don't even consider traveling to my country cause I don't have the money to pay for APs for me and my wife. My career has been also frozen since I cant take promotions to higher positions that will fall off the job description stated in my PERM.

    If I had known about this ordeal, I would have never come to the US. I would have looked for other options, in countries that have a more sincere and generous immigration policies instead. If the US is not interested in allowing people to legally immigrate through visas based on employment, they simply should eliminate these visas and make clear that they don't want us to stay. Wouldn't that be easy for everyone?

    I would return to my country if we didn't have a nasty political turmoil and the social decay that comes with it. Yet, I feel that the days go by and our lives are entangled in this absurd situation.

    Your PD was in 2006. The GC problems had started surfacing and it was clear without a relief it would only get worse. If you have EAD you are better off otherwise no point in waiting at all.

    The question is about having good understanding the US politics and that will give you an idea of how realistic are the chances of EB relief in future.
    I feel eventually it will be fixed. But not before it is completely broken and companies really take a hard look at it and seriously lobby for a reform and a workable solution.
    The H1B is now broken but perhaps not broken there will be couple of months/years of more misery.


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  • cpolisetti
    07-21 11:59 AM
    I believe this is amendment to reconcillation bill between the house and sentate bill.

    Sorry, I'm still confused, but it is entirely possible its my misunderstanding of American Senate and House of Representatives proceedings. How does a Senator add an amendment to a House of Representative bill?

    Are we talking about 240,000 greencards to recapture or 2,400,000?

    By the way - just because you make the letters huge and bold, it doesn't make it easier to comprehend.

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  • test101
    07-05 02:35 PM
    Called up Sen Casey's office and I was told that in the local office they cant do much about a mass enquiry but he volunteered to do it on a personal basis for my case in particular.

    awsome.. that's a good news....good luck


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  • bajrangbali
    06-11 09:13 AM
    I would say fight back against the indirect discrimination against the Indian and Chinese nationals in the employment-based immigration.

    If they want us to leave..then so be it..but they should say so directly. All India and Chinese EB immigrants please leave USA. Until that comes out of the US government directly, we can not be forced out through indirect policies.

    Here are a few things you can do:

    1) Withdraw all the $ you deposited in US banks from savings, checking, CDs and other investment accounts and setup an NRE account with an indian bank and move funds over. If you need you can bring back those funds in a day or two. Leave only bare minimum for your expenses in US banks. This would have an impact of ~$50K X 100K effect.

    2) Do not leave the country just because the hopes of greencard are controlled, sqeeze out every $ from your jobs and economy as long as you are here.

    3) Spend minimum and buy swadeshi when possible. Lets not give back even 10% of the income we make back into the economy. This is an economic blockade.

    USCIS and US government has long harassed Indians in the name of greencard for a longtime and year after year we hear the same BS. Come on people, show some self-respect and fight back.

    4) Those who are in foreclosure, stop paying your mortgage, your home is going to get foreclosed anyway.

    5) Despite all this...those who still decide to leave to India, max out all your credit cards, leave your car in airport and abandon your home/apt without paying rent/mortgage for the few months before you leave.

    TAKE all you can from your hard-lived and harassed lives out of this place before you do decide to move.

    I am not keeping more than 5K in any of my US banks starting today. I am also pulling back from my mortgage application for 300K condo. I am determined to sell-off my investments in equities here and begin investing in BSE.

    That is the least I could do to peacefully protest against the discrimination against me and my country people.

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  • ashutrip
    06-16 11:16 AM
    If you are stuck at Atlanta PERM backlog center , please email your case number and explain them that your application has been pending for a LONG time and request them to help us get out of this grave situation. Also, please post on this thread after you have sent an email so that others can be motivated to do the same. We need to send as many emails as possible to get any positive feedback. I know that DOL mentioned that they will start processing our applications soon, but we need to keep up the pressure from our end so that it has some positive effect.

    I know most of the people on this forum are not in this situation ..... but let's see how many can come out of this selfishness and help others by emailing / phoning DOL Atlanta to help other brothers who want to file AOS just like them...... When phone campaigns / email campaigns happen .... we who are stuck at Atlanta help others tooo... so let's see how many on this form help us now...

    Here is the info :
    email :
    Phone : 404-893-0101

    Champak (Same as 1 and 2)

    I just did it Sucks....when dates are current labor is freaking stuck.....when labor will be clewared......dates may retrogress....SUCKS....
    I hope the dates are current for some 2-3 months.


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  • waitnwatch
    09-05 08:06 PM
    I remember that in the early nineties it was next to impossible to get a home loan in India. I think the only company which gave out home loans was HDFC and the interest rate was a whopping 16%. Property prices at that time conformed to what people could actually afford as the house had to be either paid in full or you had to take out a loan from your provident fund.

    Fast forward to 2000 and beyond. After the Indian rupee became fully convertible and the banking regulations were relaxed every bank or finance company started to make loans. The upshot of that is that everyone could buy a house and car through taking out loans. This of course created this huge demand for new housing from the middle class which translated into a steep increase in land and property prices.

    This may not exactly be a total bubble as loans are there to stay. What is happening though is that home construction is going on at a rapid pace and at some point Indian cities and their suburbs may be overbuilt. At that point you would be stuck with your house and not be able to sell as is happening in the US. Of course some markets will correct but I donot think Bombay, Bangalore or Hyderabad will.

    I'm a a total layman regarding such issues and I am just trying to reason this through.

    Is is sad. All these NRIs are going to learn a very valuable lesson. Speculation is not a good strategy for investing. A lot learned that in the past few months here in USA. In a year we will be seeing the full blown post bubble correction in India. If one can rent an apartment for 15,000 why would one buy it for 50 lakhs. The interest alone on 50 lakhs is 50,000 every month. It is like buy and rent it and loose money. Instead why don't they deposit in a bank and get 50,000 every month:confused:

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  • supers789
    07-18 08:00 PM
    Since most of the crowd will file 485 now and will get EAD, I was wondering, if IV will still be putting efforts to make the PD current, or to get the option of filing 485 even if PD is not current?

    This will help those -
    1. who are stuck in BEC and could not file 485
    2. who changed jobs after seeing no movement in PD for months, and labor is not yet filed or approved by new employer.

    I am one of them.. and was wondering if there are chances of getting EAD for us. Or we will be employer dependent always.. until .. forever...



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  • sunny1000
    12-18 10:50 PM
    My lawyer received it on Dec 16th - they said that they need at least 2 weeks to answer the RFE. They also mentioned that the RFE doesn''t ask for any specific paperwork , its like a Question-Answer Form.

    a) Why do you need this guy
    b) Can you find an american instead of this guy
    c) How you benchmark performance in the company


    Is this not the reason they (U.S government) have a process to issue certificate from labor department to prove that the company could not hire an American for which some of us had to wait 5 years!!! Talk about abuse of power by USCIS.....

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  • khukubindu
    01-03 12:32 PM
    Has anyone have any idea about this ?


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  • chisinau
    08-01 11:55 AM
    Latest update from shusterman about bridge legislation for schedule A:

    Now, Senator Schumer is seeking to attach the Hutchison-Durbin Amendment to a piece of "must pass" legislation in August. For more information about the immigration of nurses and physical therapists, see "Nurse" page at

    and "Allied Health Professionals" page at

    Hope they will pass it this time....
    When will be the August recess?
    Are there any "must pass" bills, good for such an attachment, scheduled in the senate before the August recess? :confused:

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  • xstal
    07-10 01:36 AM
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  • jonty_11
    07-06 05:34 PM
    just like they made EB3 other workers number "U" in mid June...why didnt they do the same for all EB categries in July >?????

    Why are they still showing CURRENT>

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  • qplearn
    12-18 06:02 PM
    You may want to get in touch with core members if you have questions. They are very prompt in answering questions.Such posts will only create roadblocks to the momentum created on the forum by some of our members. It is time to help rather than ask. We have seen in the lameduck session how close we came to getting the bill passed. If IV was not there, even this much was not possible. We give thousands of dollars to our lawyers, can't we simply give 20 dollars to IV without asking questions and believing in this cause?
    I don't give any money without asking questions. Sorry, I am just that way. And I am guessing most people are like that. I have given money in the past, however, and have contributed in many other ways as well.

    Oh, and rather than acting as a roadblock, it will actually help the process.


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    09-04 08:14 PM
    i think there is more smartness needed than luck in the greencard process. If you look at the posts in this thread there are some people that came to usa in 1990s and still waiting, while some that came much later are on their way to citizenship. Some got the eb2 route and are happy and some in eb3 have only gloom before them.

    This in my opinion has helped smart folks among us:

    - they applied for gc as soon as possible. Those who waited did not give importance to greencard as soon as they started a job in usa are now paying for their mistakes. During the initial days of career i have seen people saying that gc is not important to them etc but when their h1b is about to expire they panic and get desperate for green card.

    ** even if a person starts the gc process in the initial days, he/she may find another better job than what they are doing now. You can't just stay with a desi blood sucker if your gc process has been started by that company.
    Someone who has applied in june 2002 under eb3 never thought that he/she will be stuck for so long. This is because of the amnesty given by the bush administration in 2001.
    This is pure luck.**

    - before pre-perm era in 2005, smart folks took up jobs in states where labor certification had no backlog. They are now either waiting for citizenship or already citizens. On the other hand people in states like ca, ny etc suffered due to labor backlogs and far from getting greencard in hand.
    ** in pre-perm era some companies started opening dummy companies in states like delaware, maine, iowa, nebraska .. Etc, and applied labor from those states. Few people were lucky that they could get through this route.
    One of my friend got stuck using this route, he had to change the company as uscis had
    started questioning the companies.
    If you are talking about getting hired by a company who is based out of such states is very difficult because these states do not have much jobs in the information technology sector.

    - any company can be good or bad for an individual. It it not a question of consulting vs fortune 500 or small vs big size of a company. Smart folks know what matters them the most when they join a company. When company sees them as a valuable asset, it applies for them. I have seen where company applied for gc as soon as the employee joined it. And i have seen posts where people had to wait for several years before company applied.

    ** every desi blood sucking company till now tries to take as much advantage as possible and will file the gc when there is no other go.

    - people who took advantage of the labor substitution got faster labors. Some could take advantage of eb2 labors and they are very fortunate. This is in no way endorsing the labor substitution rule, but in pre 2007 times nobody was protesting against it. This is a sad reality.

    - smart folks took the risk and changed jobs wth eb2 job requirements, so that they can file in eb2. Such folks with 2007 pd are happy today and people with 2003 pds in eb3 will have to wait for a long time.

    - if you read posts on this thread, many people have posted that they feel they are being screwed by their employer or lawyer. But hardly anyone has said they took any action against it. This is also a sad reality where we as a community have failed and will continue to suffer.

    ** what type of action are you talking about. Who has the money to hire another lawyer to fight against these people. The only action one could have taken is to leave the company. But as a matter of fact all the desi companies are the same.
    If you are talking about getting hired by big companies then tell me seriously how many companies are willing to go through the paper work and file h1-b. During the 2001 recession tell me how many big companies were hiring.
    A drawback of the big companies is that if your are fired you loose your gc process, if you are working for a consulting company you have option of consulting and your greencard process is still intact.

    - many folks have said that they thought they were in eb2. But found they are in eb3. This shows another weakness of our community and lack of awareness. Iv forum tries to spread the awareness but unless an individual takes initiative, they will suffer.

    Many people were able to file i485 in july 2007 due to iv effort. Imagine a 2004 eb3 india person without ead today? How will he survive a job loss on h1b in a bad economy? We should take a lesson from that event and try for another big push. There is no other shortcut for us. It is shocking to find people on this thread that are in this country for more than 10 years and without a green card. These folks should be the most vocal folks in this effort.

    being vocal is another story


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  • bkam
    01-31 03:04 AM
    Dear "colleagues in faith" :-), there is only one way to change the things with this immigration trap - we have to win the public opinion!

    Currently 350,000 highly qualified professionals working for this country are in a legal limbo which continues for years. Our current legal status is that of slaves. Yes, slaves! Nowadays it takes anywhere between 5 - 10 years from applying to receiving of a GC. We cannot change our employers within this period, the members of our families cannot work (at least legally) and our spouses lose their professional carrier; if our kids get in college they are treated as "aliens" (full tuition, no student loans, no scholarship); the loans we get are with higher interest rate (for "protection"); at the borders we are treated as "intruders" etc.

    The average Americans are honest hardworking people. If they are aware of the immigration problems faced by 350,000 hardworking professionals in this country, they will raise their voice and will help for resolving of this issue. They just need to know that. I believe that in addition to talking to senators etc., we have to find ways our issues to reach the media - newspapers, magazines and so on. An article in Times may lead to a lot of positive changes in the immigration system.

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    07-30 02:04 AM

    I was not married to her when she got her green card.It is even more difficult if we wait for family based petition, so we decided to get it through EB3, which at that time the sched A was very much highlighted.I am also ff any ammendments offered but to our dismay,the battle is even more uphill.She works in ICU and she said that it is undeniably true that shortage of nurses is everywhere.Am sure our wives are also suffering just as bad.Hope none of the lawmakers have to wait in ER becasue the nurse who is suppose to look after her/him is still waiting for his visa. this American dream is just taking its toll on a lot of people.It is very frustrating.

    04-25 02:31 PM
    It sure seems that there a lot of frustrated people on a short fuse. Staying focused definitely helps because of both our limited resources and influence. One thing that should be considered though is the greater good. Lot's of things could help an individual's cause. If I had the power to change the law I would start of by issuing green-cards within a month of getting an H1-B. But I don't have the wishing well in my backyard. I wish one of us could locate one and that would be the end of all this confrontation!

    my two cents

    06-21 01:22 PM
    go through all the posts at linked at my post 'Link to post at IV''But what is these guys doing?' (

    The linked place is a safe and cozy haven for most Democratic Senators and Democratic Congressmen. All start threads in their real names over there.

    This is like red meat for them.

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